Comments on: Kimetikos: Redemption of the Gnostic Self http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/ Gnosticism, Forteana, fun and more from a modern Gnostic Minister. Formerly "Fantastic Planet." The opinions expressed hereon are solely those of the author, and do not represent the opinions of The Palm Tree Garden Gnostic Community. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:29:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: Motion Lotion http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/#comment-207 Motion Lotion Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:31:01 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/#comment-207 <em>The motion will consist of a series of movements and contemplative exercises</em> What about the "rest" part - motion and rest? That should be incorporated if that's going to be your founding quote. Easy to answer: meditation, contemplative practice, time for your mind to incorporate and adjust to lessons learned, etc. <em>, through which the practitioner will be able to achieve certain results.</em> What "certain results"? That doesn't give the potential user much of an incentive to try! It's like going to a car dealership and you're expecting to be like, "This car is awesome! It drives so fast and you'll totally get laid!" And instead he just says, "This vehicle will help you achieve certain results..." Huh? I know it's in the early stages, but like you said: sounding-board! <em>4. Discovery of the true Self may result in gnosis.</em> Again, I know you're trying to not be too bombastic, but if it only "may result in" then I only "may" be interested in it. Either tell me (lie to me!) that it WILL result in gnosis, or else give me a promised result which is NOT a lie. Say: "This exercise will help you break bad habits" or something like that which is much more reasonable, etc. <em> I do not think that this is something the Gnostics who wrote and used the SJn historically did</em> This is NOT sexy! The ancient Gnostic sects, part of what's so cool about them is all the speculation, romance, drama and intrigue. That's why the Da Vinci Code was such a success: it only billed itself as fiction (thereby side-stepping many ethical/authenticity issues), but then let you run wild with speculation and intrigue. Another way to phrase this might be something like (and this needs to be polished): "Mythic Movement" - that is, it is based upon the myths, and it recognizes within its own self that it is invented whole-cloth, and it is accepting of it. Know what I'm trying to say here? The motion will consist of a series of movements and contemplative exercises

What about the “rest” part - motion and rest? That should be incorporated if that’s going to be your founding quote. Easy to answer: meditation, contemplative practice, time for your mind to incorporate and adjust to lessons learned, etc.

, through which the practitioner will be able to achieve certain results.

What “certain results”? That doesn’t give the potential user much of an incentive to try! It’s like going to a car dealership and you’re expecting to be like, “This car is awesome! It drives so fast and you’ll totally get laid!” And instead he just says, “This vehicle will help you achieve certain results…” Huh? I know it’s in the early stages, but like you said: sounding-board!

4. Discovery of the true Self may result in gnosis.

Again, I know you’re trying to not be too bombastic, but if it only “may result in” then I only “may” be interested in it. Either tell me (lie to me!) that it WILL result in gnosis, or else give me a promised result which is NOT a lie. Say: “This exercise will help you break bad habits” or something like that which is much more reasonable, etc.

I do not think that this is something the Gnostics who wrote and used the SJn historically did

This is NOT sexy! The ancient Gnostic sects, part of what’s so cool about them is all the speculation, romance, drama and intrigue. That’s why the Da Vinci Code was such a success: it only billed itself as fiction (thereby side-stepping many ethical/authenticity issues), but then let you run wild with speculation and intrigue.

Another way to phrase this might be something like (and this needs to be polished):

“Mythic Movement” - that is, it is based upon the myths, and it recognizes within its own self that it is invented whole-cloth, and it is accepting of it. Know what I’m trying to say here?

]]> By: +Thomas http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/#comment-208 +Thomas Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:46:00 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/#comment-208 JP This is exciting stuff. I've been poking around in this same area for some time. Are you familiar with Christopher Hyatt's "Undoing Yourself?" I haven't read it yet, but it sounds like some of what he is doing might be relevant to this line of thought. What is the relationship between Reich's "armoring" and your doppleganger? +TL JP

This is exciting stuff.

I’ve been poking around in this same area for some time.

Are you familiar with Christopher Hyatt’s “Undoing Yourself?” I haven’t read it yet, but it sounds like some of what he is doing might be relevant to this line of thought.

What is the relationship between Reich’s “armoring” and your doppleganger?

+TL

]]> By: Donald Donato http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/#comment-209 Donald Donato Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:31:17 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/#comment-209 Great stuff. I've also spent some time on these questions. #5 is of particular interest. Have you read Steiner's thoughts on this? He was convinced of the doppelgänger phenomenon, and that it can be weaker or stronger depending on many variables (including physical things, nutrition, etc). Also, on motion and rest-exercises, are you up on Eurthmy? We have an excellent program here locally. It addresses both movement and contemplation. Well worth a try. #7 is vital...no pun intended. I'll try to give a run down of these ideas as they relate to what I've managed to glean. Great stuff. I’ve also spent some time on these questions. #5 is of particular interest. Have you read Steiner’s thoughts on this? He was convinced of the doppelgänger phenomenon, and that it can be weaker or stronger depending on many variables (including physical things, nutrition, etc). Also, on motion and rest-exercises, are you up on Eurthmy? We have an excellent program here locally. It addresses both movement and contemplation. Well worth a try. #7 is vital…no pun intended. I’ll try to give a run down of these ideas as they relate to what I’ve managed to glean.

]]> By: JP http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/#comment-210 JP Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:47:17 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/#comment-210 Tim: Good thoughts. Like I said, this is all still in the "sounding board" stage, so we'll see what happens. I got your e-mail, too, and think your ideas are pretty rad. More later..... Thomas: Thanks! Not terribly familiar with Reichian theory, so I can't answer your question. As to Hyatt, yeah, I've read a bit of his work, but something about him has always kinda set me off. Donald: Not familiar with Eurthmy, but sounds pretty interesting. I'll check it out! Thanks, all! Tim: Good thoughts. Like I said, this is all still in the “sounding board” stage, so we’ll see what happens. I got your e-mail, too, and think your ideas are pretty rad. More later…..

Thomas: Thanks! Not terribly familiar with Reichian theory, so I can’t answer your question. As to Hyatt, yeah, I’ve read a bit of his work, but something about him has always kinda set me off.

Donald: Not familiar with Eurthmy, but sounds pretty interesting. I’ll check it out!

Thanks, all!

]]> By: Donald Donato http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/#comment-211 Donald Donato Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:57:13 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/09/12/kimetikos-redemption-of-the-gnostic-self/#comment-211 Sorry, that's Eurythmy - with two "y"s. It's a little like Tai Chi. Sorry, that’s Eurythmy - with two “y”s. It’s a little like Tai Chi.

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