Comments on: Tim Boucher on “Saving the Gnostic Body” http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/17/tim-boucher-on-saving-the-gnostic-body/ Gnosticism, Forteana, fun and more from a modern Gnostic Minister. Formerly "Fantastic Planet." The opinions expressed hereon are solely those of the author, and do not represent the opinions of The Palm Tree Garden Gnostic Community. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:26:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: Mr.Psiko http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/17/tim-boucher-on-saving-the-gnostic-body/#comment-161 Mr.Psiko Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:55:33 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/17/tim-boucher-on-saving-the-gnostic-body/#comment-161 Well, that approaches to te conception of martal arts ,in the east as a path to develop personality. Practice it without doing this is seen like something wrong. Well, that approaches to te conception of martal arts ,in the east as a path to develop personality. Practice it without doing this is seen like something wrong.

]]> By: Br. Jay http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/17/tim-boucher-on-saving-the-gnostic-body/#comment-162 Br. Jay Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:28:41 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/17/tim-boucher-on-saving-the-gnostic-body/#comment-162 Wow. This is wonderfully powerful. I would push his thought farther and use the body to do what we can to fill what is lacking. So many have fallen between the cracks in this world. Use this mind as Tim said to face one's sins and shortcomings, use the body to reach out to love those who have been crushed by the powers of this world. Fantastic post! Wow. This is wonderfully powerful. I would push his thought farther and use the body to do what we can to fill what is lacking. So many have fallen between the cracks in this world. Use this mind as Tim said to face one’s sins and shortcomings, use the body to reach out to love those who have been crushed by the powers of this world. Fantastic post!

]]> By: adam http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/17/tim-boucher-on-saving-the-gnostic-body/#comment-166 adam Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:26:22 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/17/tim-boucher-on-saving-the-gnostic-body/#comment-166 Yeah Brilliant post, bizarrely I read it last just before I went to teach a Tai-Chi class, and it gave me a few ideas to incorporate into it! One thing I would disagree on though is the term 'self-mastery', I think I'd prefer the term 'self-awareness' or 'self-realisation'. I think from my own experience Self-mastery, if taken too literally, can lead to a sort of self-masking of negative character traits in a mislead attempt to control or suppress them, best optimised and taken to an illogical extreme by the incredibly rigid and 'I'm so in control I might fucking explode' body language of scientologists. Also Self-mastery indicates an end state, a destination that you will achieve, where as I think any form of learning is in essence an ongoing process of refinement and exploration. I think it's possible to achieve self-realisation and still be a neurotic fuck-up, you're just a neurotic fuck-up who can see his neurosis (and all patterns of behaviour) for what they really are. I don't think Tim nessercarily sees it this way (as he indicated with the Lao-Tsu quote) but for me it's a term that has only lead to confusion. Yeah Brilliant post, bizarrely I read it last just before I went to teach a Tai-Chi class, and it gave me a few ideas to incorporate into it!

One thing I would disagree on though is the term ’self-mastery’, I think I’d prefer the term ’self-awareness’ or ’self-realisation’.

I think from my own experience Self-mastery, if taken too literally, can lead to a sort of self-masking of negative character traits in a mislead attempt to control or suppress them, best optimised and taken to an illogical extreme by the incredibly rigid and ‘I’m so in control I might fucking explode’ body language of scientologists.

Also Self-mastery indicates an end state, a destination that you will achieve, where as I think any form of learning is in essence an ongoing process of refinement and exploration. I think it’s possible to achieve self-realisation and still be a neurotic fuck-up, you’re just a neurotic fuck-up who can see his neurosis (and all patterns of behaviour) for what they really are.

I don’t think Tim nessercarily sees it this way (as he indicated with the Lao-Tsu quote) but for me it’s a term that has only lead to confusion.

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