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	<description>Gnosticism, Forteana, fun and more from a modern Gnostic Minister.  Formerly "Fantastic Planet."  The opinions expressed hereon are solely those of the author, and do not represent the opinions of The Palm Tree Garden Gnostic Community.</description>
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		<title>By: tim boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/14/tear-down-the-wall/#comment-155</link>
		<author>tim boucher</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>semi-quasi unrelated: are you still investigating reiki, etc?</description>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/14/tear-down-the-wall/#comment-156</link>
		<author>JP</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am, but I've been out of it for quite a while.  I plan to get back into it this Fall.  Why do you ask?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am, but I&#8217;ve been out of it for quite a while.  I plan to get back into it this Fall.  Why do you ask?</p>
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		<title>By: tim boucher</title>
		<link>http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/14/tear-down-the-wall/#comment-157</link>
		<author>tim boucher</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm not sure. Something about this piece triggered me asking that.</description>
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		<title>By: Thirtyseven</title>
		<link>http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/14/tear-down-the-wall/#comment-159</link>
		<author>Thirtyseven</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This past year has been wall demolition for sure.  I find that all of of my "diverse" interests are in fact completely related, and I find myself in awe of how much vestigal "division of disciplines" is still installed in my head from school days.  How is science not communication?  How is math not music?  ...that sort of thing...

Still -- startling, humbling, disturbing to be continually re-discovering how colonized the topology of my mind is.  I often wonder if the very fact I bitterly fought against more or less everything during my 12 years of school actually wound up embedding all the bullshit even deeper.  The phrase "what we resist persists" comes to mind, even though I seem to associate that quote with either The Secret or L. Ron Hubbard.

Jeff's Vallee quote really touched off a brushfire in my head, though -- I've been at work on a series of articles on time ever since.  As is often the case with Big Revelations, I still have no idea what I even realized, and it will be a few months at least before I can get a sense of the new landscape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This past year has been wall demolition for sure.  I find that all of of my &#8220;diverse&#8221; interests are in fact completely related, and I find myself in awe of how much vestigal &#8220;division of disciplines&#8221; is still installed in my head from school days.  How is science not communication?  How is math not music?  &#8230;that sort of thing&#8230;</p>
<p>Still &#8212; startling, humbling, disturbing to be continually re-discovering how colonized the topology of my mind is.  I often wonder if the very fact I bitterly fought against more or less everything during my 12 years of school actually wound up embedding all the bullshit even deeper.  The phrase &#8220;what we resist persists&#8221; comes to mind, even though I seem to associate that quote with either The Secret or L. Ron Hubbard.</p>
<p>Jeff&#8217;s Vallee quote really touched off a brushfire in my head, though &#8212; I&#8217;ve been at work on a series of articles on time ever since.  As is often the case with Big Revelations, I still have no idea what I even realized, and it will be a few months at least before I can get a sense of the new landscape.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/14/tear-down-the-wall/#comment-160</link>
		<author>JP</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I hear you-- I still get flak in certain circles for looking into forteana from a Gnostic perspective, but I've found over the past few years that all of these seemingly unrelated aspects of my reality structure fit together like peas and ham (i.e. really well), and what's more that there are more than a few of us who are coming to this understanding of late.  I'm not in the 2012 apocalypse/spiritual awakening bs camp, but I definitely think there's some fluxes in the morphogenetic fields of late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you&#8211; I still get flak in certain circles for looking into forteana from a Gnostic perspective, but I&#8217;ve found over the past few years that all of these seemingly unrelated aspects of my reality structure fit together like peas and ham (i.e. really well), and what&#8217;s more that there are more than a few of us who are coming to this understanding of late.  I&#8217;m not in the 2012 apocalypse/spiritual awakening bs camp, but I definitely think there&#8217;s some fluxes in the morphogenetic fields of late.</p>
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		<title>By: Emperor</title>
		<link>http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/14/tear-down-the-wall/#comment-178</link>
		<author>Emperor</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/14/tear-down-the-wall/#comment-178</guid>
					<description>Don't listen to those nay sayers - people can either take the Fortean aspects are metaphors or peeps behind the curtain to what is actually going on. 

The associative database analogy is a powerful one - you could even suggest that magic is really just reality hacking (with obvious Matrix-style parallels).

What concerns me is that there seem to be a lot of "black hats" out there who seem to have at least as a good a grasp on the power of this as the "white hats." While you are trying to tear down walls they are busy building new ones. ;)

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On the topic the post started on:

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The Haiti UFOs are clear (and now acknowledged) fakes:

www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/damndata/index.php?/archives/1022-Unidentified-Fake-Objects.html

The more curious thing is the Caret business, as parallels have been drawn with the John Titor time travel weirdness:
http://spacetimenews.com/titor_caret.html

As we've discussed before, quite a few people seem to be putting a lot of time and effort into creating convincing-looking memes - I've summarised it recently in relation to the Navy (although the more general principles apply more widely - its just that the navy seems to crop up a little too often for my comfort - then again that could just be synchronicities which would lead us back to the universe as an associative database):

www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/damndata/index.php?/archives/1017-What-the-Navy-know.html

The thing that strikes me is their relish for using the Internet to disseminate these things. Given digital technology (in the production and transmission) they could really hammer these kinds of things out. Since WWII we've really only had half a dozen up until a decade ago. With the spread of the Web we must have seen a similar number with the pace seeming to be increasing. I suppose it depends on what they are up to - if finding something that will "stick" if there aim they can keep at it and eventually something will fire people's imaginations (although not sinister the fake UFO video were perhaps the biggest You Tube sensation with over 3 million views just on the original - and people were lifting and rehosting it, analysing it and posting their own interpretations, etc. so the full impact is difficult to asses - and this was accidental and easily exposed as a fake)). That might be sinister in its own right but it could be they are using the Web as am easily monitored test area - release the memes and let natural selection deal with them. Once you have a real winner set it loose in the "wild."

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On UMMO see this for other worrying aspects:

www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/267/ummos_children.html

What concerns me is that a lot of these attempts at memetic engineering (UMMO, Montauk Project, Ong's Hat, etc.) all seem to have generated what some claim is cult-like following. Seen from a reality hacking point of view they could be seen as Trojans - fired out into the wild by the hackers, they take root in insecure systems where they can lurk and propagate just waiting to be activated and do their damage.

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Of course, they could be used as metaphors (and of course some of it isn't relevant) but it could be addressing the same thing from different angles. Or not. That's the beauty of it all - you can pick and chose but some really interesting things can emerge in the grey zone where the two meet which you wouldn't get from a narrower focus (like Rigorous Intuitions combination of conspiracy and Forteana - which also raises a few eyebrows from people who like to think they know what the blog is all about).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t listen to those nay sayers - people can either take the Fortean aspects are metaphors or peeps behind the curtain to what is actually going on. </p>
<p>The associative database analogy is a powerful one - you could even suggest that magic is really just reality hacking (with obvious Matrix-style parallels).</p>
<p>What concerns me is that there seem to be a lot of &#8220;black hats&#8221; out there who seem to have at least as a good a grasp on the power of this as the &#8220;white hats.&#8221; While you are trying to tear down walls they are busy building new ones. ;)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;<br />
On the topic the post started on:</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
The Haiti UFOs are clear (and now acknowledged) fakes:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/damndata/index.php?/archives/1022-Unidentified-Fake-Objects.html" rel="nofollow">www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/damndata/index.php?/archives/1022-Unidentified-Fake-Objects.html</a></p>
<p>The more curious thing is the Caret business, as parallels have been drawn with the John Titor time travel weirdness:<br />
<a href="http://spacetimenews.com/titor_caret.html" rel="nofollow">http://spacetimenews.com/titor_caret.html</a></p>
<p>As we&#8217;ve discussed before, quite a few people seem to be putting a lot of time and effort into creating convincing-looking memes - I&#8217;ve summarised it recently in relation to the Navy (although the more general principles apply more widely - its just that the navy seems to crop up a little too often for my comfort - then again that could just be synchronicities which would lead us back to the universe as an associative database):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/damndata/index.php?/archives/1017-What-the-Navy-know.html" rel="nofollow">www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/damndata/index.php?/archives/1017-What-the-Navy-know.html</a></p>
<p>The thing that strikes me is their relish for using the Internet to disseminate these things. Given digital technology (in the production and transmission) they could really hammer these kinds of things out. Since WWII we&#8217;ve really only had half a dozen up until a decade ago. With the spread of the Web we must have seen a similar number with the pace seeming to be increasing. I suppose it depends on what they are up to - if finding something that will &#8220;stick&#8221; if there aim they can keep at it and eventually something will fire people&#8217;s imaginations (although not sinister the fake UFO video were perhaps the biggest You Tube sensation with over 3 million views just on the original - and people were lifting and rehosting it, analysing it and posting their own interpretations, etc. so the full impact is difficult to asses - and this was accidental and easily exposed as a fake)). That might be sinister in its own right but it could be they are using the Web as am easily monitored test area - release the memes and let natural selection deal with them. Once you have a real winner set it loose in the &#8220;wild.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
On UMMO see this for other worrying aspects:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/267/ummos_children.html" rel="nofollow">www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/267/ummos_children.html</a></p>
<p>What concerns me is that a lot of these attempts at memetic engineering (UMMO, Montauk Project, Ong&#8217;s Hat, etc.) all seem to have generated what some claim is cult-like following. Seen from a reality hacking point of view they could be seen as Trojans - fired out into the wild by the hackers, they take root in insecure systems where they can lurk and propagate just waiting to be activated and do their damage.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Of course, they could be used as metaphors (and of course some of it isn&#8217;t relevant) but it could be addressing the same thing from different angles. Or not. That&#8217;s the beauty of it all - you can pick and chose but some really interesting things can emerge in the grey zone where the two meet which you wouldn&#8217;t get from a narrower focus (like Rigorous Intuitions combination of conspiracy and Forteana - which also raises a few eyebrows from people who like to think they know what the blog is all about).</p>
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		<title>By: WoodDog &#187; Holy Moment</title>
		<link>http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/08/14/tear-down-the-wall/#comment-215</link>
		<author>WoodDog &#187; Holy Moment</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Puma has been writing about  this, and so has Ran.  But we also notice regularities in our experience. Experience is persistent [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Puma has been writing about  this, and so has Ran.  But we also notice regularities in our experience. Experience is persistent [&#8230;]</p>
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