Comments on: They’re On To Us! http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/ Gnosticism, Forteana, fun and more from a modern Gnostic Minister. Formerly "Fantastic Planet." The opinions expressed hereon are solely those of the author, and do not represent the opinions of The Palm Tree Garden Gnostic Community. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:29:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: Jordan Stratford+ http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-84 Jordan Stratford+ Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:44:00 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-84 Man, we are so busted. And by a bunch of crackpot Vogelinistas, too. How embarrassing. I suppose I'll have to go break the news to Priestess Hilary. Man, we are so busted. And by a bunch of crackpot Vogelinistas, too. How embarrassing. I suppose I’ll have to go break the news to Priestess Hilary.

]]> By: Donald Donato http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-86 Donald Donato Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:35:37 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-86 Oh, JP, you forgot to mention the annual San Francisco Gnostick .:C:B:B:B:Q:. Did you get your invite to the Christian Baby BBQ? I hope they don't trip on a copy of "The Equinox." :) All hail to the Dictatorship of the Gnosticariat... Oh, JP, you forgot to mention the annual San Francisco Gnostick .:C:B:B:B:Q:. Did you get your invite to the Christian Baby BBQ? I hope they don’t trip on a copy of “The Equinox.” :) All hail to the Dictatorship of the Gnosticariat…

]]> By: John Plummer http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-87 John Plummer Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:03:56 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-87 Damn, now I have to find a more successfully clandestine cult to belong to.... Damn, now I have to find a more successfully clandestine cult to belong to….

]]> By: madcap http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-89 madcap Sat, 07 Jul 2007 02:46:31 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-89 The Gnostic implosion and collapse of second reality! http://thoughtsongod.wordpress.com/2007/07/07/the-gnostic-implosion-and-collapse-of-second-reality/ The Gnostic implosion and collapse of second reality!
http://thoughtsongod.wordpress.com/2007/07/07/the-gnostic-implosion-and-collapse-of-second-reality/

]]> By: The Gnostic implosion and collapse of second reality! « THOUGHTS ON GOD http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-92 The Gnostic implosion and collapse of second reality! « THOUGHTS ON GOD Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:02:58 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-92 [...] Bro. Jeremy posted a response: They’re On To Us! [...] […] Bro. Jeremy posted a response: They’re On To Us! […]

]]> By: madcap http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-93 madcap Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:39:03 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-93 I was rather surprised at how juvenile, and intellectually vacant his response was. Mine is not a critique of people’s intentions. My questions pertain to the effect of ideas upon both the interior and exterior world-space. I have never questioned the Gnostics’ intentions. A common symptom of modernity is to judge the intentions and not the actual results of ideas. It’s based in feelings, not reason. The Gnostic must avoid the light of reason at all cost. This is why Bro. Jeremy imploded into an emotional rant of no substance. He did not address any of the questions or relevant points to the arguments presented in my first article. The friction caused by his “second reality” being confronted by reality as is, forced him to retreat into claims of victimhood. Wallowing in feelings of injustice, claming to be charged with a conspiracy, he felt as if a “rape” had just been perpetrated on his ideas. This is a derailment par excellent. Voegelin goes in depth on what he calls a “second reality” that must be created when confronted with reality as it is. Voegelin eloquently exposes both Marx’s and Nietzsche’s admission that when confronted with reality, the Gnostic enterprise breaks down. This is why it is a swindle; they have full knowledge from the onset that the ground they claim to stand upon is a fraud. JP also responds by bailing out of the debate and declaring it unimportant. Who has time to think about such things with all the “nice things” we could be doing instead? “and we’d have tons of self-congratulatory material, each of us “proving” our point.” The problem with JP’s thinking is that he has failed to offer any self-congratulatory material that proves his point. He offers this assertion instead: “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SECULAR GNOSTICISM. It’s an impossibility. Gnosticism without God, without its myths and without Sophia and the Logos and the Christos and Barbelo, and (*ESPECIALLY*) without gnosis and sacrament and prayer, is not Gnosticism. Period. End. Of. Argument.” I guess that solves that! This sounds a lot like Al Gore’s “the debate is over” line of reasoning. I think Voegelin might be on to something after all. And remember; you Gnostics were the ones who knocked on my door. Peace to all and to all a good night. Madcap I was rather surprised at how juvenile, and intellectually vacant his response was. Mine is not a critique of people’s intentions. My questions pertain to the effect of ideas upon both the interior and exterior world-space. I have never questioned the Gnostics’ intentions. A common symptom of modernity is to judge the intentions and not the actual results of ideas. It’s based in feelings, not reason. The Gnostic must avoid the light of reason at all cost. This is why Bro. Jeremy imploded into an emotional rant of no substance. He did not address any of the questions or relevant points to the arguments presented in my first article. The friction caused by his “second reality” being confronted by reality as is, forced him to retreat into claims of victimhood. Wallowing in feelings of injustice, claming to be charged with a conspiracy, he felt as if a “rape” had just been perpetrated on his ideas. This is a derailment par excellent. Voegelin goes in depth on what he calls a “second reality” that must be created when confronted with reality as it is. Voegelin eloquently exposes both Marx’s and Nietzsche’s admission that when confronted with reality, the Gnostic enterprise breaks down. This is why it is a swindle; they have full knowledge from the onset that the ground they claim to stand upon is a fraud.

JP also responds by bailing out of the debate and declaring it unimportant. Who has time to think about such things with all the “nice things” we could be doing instead?

“and we’d have tons of self-congratulatory material, each of us “proving” our point.”

The problem with JP’s thinking is that he has failed to offer any self-congratulatory material that proves his point. He offers this assertion instead:

“THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SECULAR GNOSTICISM. It’s an impossibility. Gnosticism without God, without its myths and without Sophia and the Logos and the Christos and Barbelo, and (*ESPECIALLY*) without gnosis and sacrament and prayer, is not Gnosticism. Period. End. Of. Argument.”

I guess that solves that! This sounds a lot like Al Gore’s “the debate is over” line of reasoning. I think Voegelin might be on to something after all. And remember; you Gnostics were the ones who knocked on my door.

Peace to all and to all a good night. Madcap

]]> By: Rev. Mother Marsha http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-95 Rev. Mother Marsha Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:04:37 +0000 http://www.palmtreegarden.org/fp/2007/07/06/theyre-on-to-us/#comment-95 "3. We will FLOOD THE STREETS with our BRAIN-DEAD SOLDIERS, who are only too glad to DESTROY their WORTHLESS BODIES FOR OUR CAUSE!" I always wanted minions of my own. Even if it was just one minion. To think I can have an enitre army of ZOMBIES!! I can't wait!! Where do I sign up? Marsha+ “3. We will FLOOD THE STREETS with our BRAIN-DEAD SOLDIERS, who are only too glad to DESTROY their WORTHLESS BODIES FOR OUR CAUSE!”

I always wanted minions of my own. Even if it was just one minion. To think I can have an enitre army of ZOMBIES!!
I can’t wait!! Where do I sign up?
Marsha+

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